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Taking Legal Custody of Grandchildren

By: Elizabeth Grace - Updated: 20 Sep 2017 | comments*Discuss
 
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Worldwide there are literally millions of kids being raised by their grandparents because of their parents' inability to care for them. While guardianship is sometimes a temporary situation, there are many instances of grandparents taking full and permanent custody of grandkids.

Making it Forever

Children thrive on consistency and stability, so when parents are unable or unwilling to provide a safe and nurturing environment for their kids, the responsibility often falls to the grandparents. When a situation demands that long-term or even permanent arrangements be made for a child's care, grandparents must be meticulous to ensure that they take all of the proper steps, assuring their rights as well as protecting the rights of their grandchild. The sense of security that the children have from knowing they are in a permanent, stable home can help them to excel socially and academically, so it is important that they not be repeatedly uprooted.

Legal Council

The single most important step that grandparents can take in assuring that they proceed wisely in taking custody of their grandchildren is to seek advice from a lawyer, preferably one who specialises in family law. The process can be complicated, but a good solicitor can make the procedure far less confusing. Ideally, a lawyer should be hired right from the beginning so as to instruct grandparents on the best course of action. Even if brought in during the middle of proceedings, though, grandparents should not finalise any custody agreements without legal advice, since going it alone increases the chances that errors will be made.

Seeking Supportive People

Often, when there is a need for grandparents to raise their grandchildren, the kids have been through some sort of trauma. Whether neglect, abuse, parental illness, or some other reason is at the root of the decision to seek custody, it is wise to enlist the help of social workers, neighbours, teachers and school or law enforcement officials who have first hand knowledge of the family's situation. Sworn statements that reinforce not only the need for a child's permanent removal from their parents' custody but also recommendations that the grandparents are good candidates for guardianship can be helpful, especially if the kids' parents object to relinquishing custody of the children.

Ideally, parents who are unable to properly care for their children would be cooperative in allowing the grandparents to provide loving homes, but it is common for the generations to battle. Having the support of other interested parties can help ensure the best outcome for the children in what is sure to be a very difficult situation.

Documentation

While it may feel disloyal for grandparents to speak publicly against their adult children, they may have no other option when it comes to protecting their vulnerable grandchildren. Documenting every incident that supports the stance that the children's parents are unfit will help grandparents to prove their case, if the need should arise. Keeping track of specific dates and occurrences of inappropriate parental behaviour, along with the effect that it had on the children, can help grandparents to protect their grandchildren and give them a safe, loving and permanent home.

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Red - Your Question:
I've had my paternal granddaughter for the majority of her nearly 21 months. There's been the odd few days/nights where she's been with her parents. After they split up, I was handed GD & the mother never discussed when she would next visit. She would text on & off to arrange to visit but, would then change her mind or get "belly ache". She had GD overnight once & called me at gone midnight to pick GD up as she wouldn't settle & the new fella was sick of GD crying. I got a taxi & the mother stunk of booze. Brought GD back here & she's had the odd hour here & there with her on her own. My son also has drink & drug problems & they have both on different occasions attacked me. Mother when I had hold of my GD son when he had hold of GD. Police & social services have been involved a few times. GD mother has never given me any money or even bought a nappy. When son has money he does give me money & buys stuff for GD. I live with my mum in a 1 bed flat. GD has a cot in bedroom with my mum. I sleep on sofa. I've been looking for a 3 bed house & the council have told me I need to prove I'm in receipt of child benefit before they will offer me a 3 bed house. I told GD mother who, is now ok with this & through social services we were working on a special guardianship order.Last week GD mother took GD to Leeds from Manchester to visit family. I waited all day for her to get back to me about a time she was dropping GD back off to me. The maternal gran told me, GD was now living with her in Leeds & I'll never see her again. Social services drove to Leeds & came back without GD. He said the other gran has a big 3 bed house & he has no worries GD will come to harm so, I have to leave her there (GD mother, only stayed in Leeds for few hours, it was all planned between them). The GD mother is now hounding me with abusive texts & so is the other gran. They are demanding money £50 a week from my son. He is not on the birth cert as the other gran said he had to prove he was a good dad who could show he was financially stable enough to support his daughter before her daughter would put sons name on GD birth cert. We have a special bond & GD had her own little network of family & friends here. She's only known me & my mum to be the constant ones in her life. My mum has early on set dementia & having GD her was such a good thing for her. This past week she is so much more confused & is so upset & fretting. I'm lost & broken. Can anyone help please?

Our Response:
I am sorry to hear this. But without having parental responsibility, there is little you can do unfortunately as you are not the legal parent. As your son is the father of the child, then regardless whether he is on the birth certificate or not, by law your son (if he earning) has to pay child maintenance to help support his son, please see link here . You may wish to seek legal advice, but both your son and your son's ex are the only ones with legal rights to care for your granddaughter. Your son may be able to apply for residency of his child through the courts, but much would depend upon his own personal circumstances and how much day-to-day input he has had in respect to caring for his child.
ProudGrandparents - 21-Sep-17 @ 11:20 AM
I've had my paternal granddaughter for the majority of her nearly 21 months. There's been the odd few days/nights where she's been with her parents. After they split up, I was handed GD & the mother never discussed when she would next visit. She would text on & off to arrange to visit but, would then change her mind or get "belly ache". She had GD overnight once & called me at gone midnight to pick GD up as she wouldn't settle & the new fella was sick of GD crying. I got a taxi & the mother stunk of booze. Brought GD back here & she's had the odd hour here & there with her on her own. My son also has drink & drug problems & they have both on different occasions attacked me. Mother when I had hold of my GD son when he had hold of GD. Police & social services have been involved a few times. GD mother has never given me any money or even bought a nappy. When son has money he does give me money & buys stuff for GD. I live with my mum in a 1 bed flat. GD has a cot in bedroom with my mum. I sleep on sofa. I've been looking for a 3 bed house & the council have told me I need to prove I'm in receipt of child benefit before they will offer me a 3 bed house. I told GD mother who, is now ok with this & through social services we were working on a special guardianship order. Last week GD mother took GD to Leeds from Manchester to visit family. I waited all day for her to get back to me about a time she was dropping GD back off to me. The maternal gran told me, GD was now living with her in Leeds & I'll never see her again. Social services drove to Leeds & came back without GD. He said the other gran has a big 3 bed house & he has no worries GD will come to harm so, I have to leave her there (GD mother, only stayed in Leeds for few hours, it was all planned between them). The GD mother is now hounding me with abusive texts & so is the other gran. They are demanding money £50 a week from my son. He is not on the birth cert as the other gran said he had to prove he was a good dad who could show he was financially stable enough to support his daughter before her daughter would put sons name on GD birth cert. We have a special bond & GD had her own little network of family & friends here. She's only known me & my mum to be the constant ones in her life. My mum has early on set dementia & having GD her was such a good thing for her. This past week she is so much more confused & is so upset & fretting. I'm lost & broken. Can anyone help please?
Red - 20-Sep-17 @ 2:14 AM
Bear - Your Question:
Please help! I am constantly heartbroken every week I return my grandson. He is 4 years old and lives with his mother who is not my daughter. I have him every weekend and all of the school holidays last year I had him for 6 months. Every time I take him home he cries really sobbing asking me to take him home ( meaning my home) his mother is young, but there is no bond. She shouts, smacks and swears at him. He has no place to play. He needs to do most things himself. He goes to bed alone etc. She sleeps in every morning and he doesn't wake her to avoid being shouted at. She tells him off for crying for me. Everything he has at my home if won't take it home. I have been to social services twice and they have closed the case. I know neglect and emotional abuse is very difficult to prove but it's breaking my heart to see my grandson emotionally damaged. He never looks happy there. My son cannot have him and again immature. If I go to court she will stop me seeing him and I know then he will suffer more. Please help me.

Our Response:
Unless there is strong evidence that your grandson is in danger and is being neglected, then the court/social service cannot do anything. You may wish to speak to the NSPCC via the link here , but I'm afraid until there is a situation where the mother is proven that she cannot look after her child there is little you can do. I can only advise you to encourage the mother to leave your grandson in your care more often.
ProudGrandparents - 14-Sep-17 @ 2:30 PM
Please help! I am constantly heartbroken every week I return my grandson. He is 4 years old and lives with his mother who is not my daughter. I have him every weekend and all of the school holidays last year I had him for 6 months. Every time I take him home he cries really sobbing asking me to take him home ( meaning my home) his mother is young, but there is no bond. She shouts, smacks and swears at him. He has no place to play. He needs to do most things himself. He goes to bed alone etc. She sleeps in every morning and he doesn't wake her to avoid being shouted at. She tells him off for crying for me. Everything he has at my home if won't take it home. I have been to social services twice and they have closed the case. I know neglect and emotional abuse is very difficult to prove but it's breaking my heart to see my grandson emotionally damaged. He never looks happy there. My son cannot have him and again immature. If I go to court she will stop me seeing him and I know then he will suffer more. Please help me.
Bear - 14-Sep-17 @ 1:57 AM
pat - Your Question:
Can a grandmother put her name on the grandson birth certificate if my daughter pass a way yes or no

Our Response:
No, only the biological parents can register their names on their child's birth certificate.
ProudGrandparents - 11-Sep-17 @ 4:36 PM
can a grandmotherput her name on the grandson birth certificate if my daughterpass a way yes or no
pat - 9-Sep-17 @ 8:46 PM
fave - Your Question:
4 years ago myself and my husband were awarded a residence order for my Grandson as the Mother and her partner were constantly getting into physical fights and despite Social Services intervention they could not resolve their issues.3 weeks ago I allowed my Grandson to spend some time with his Mom and siblings, however it was only meant to be a few days and when I wanted him to come home I was finding it increasingly difficult to have him returned as the boyfriend (not the father) of my Grandson was constantly preventing me from speaking with him. I did eventually get to speak with him where he told me he did not want to live with me and his Grandad anymore.I am heart broken as we cared for him since the day he was born as she never wanted him. I have phoned police social services and even been back to court but because the actual court order giving us residence can't be found, we are having to go through the courts again and he has remained with his Mother.Will I get him returned or shall I respect his wishes as he is only 8 and has been spoilt with games and gadgets as My Daughter as just come into money. I fear I will never see my Grandson again.

Our Response:
I am sorry to hear this. However, it will be up to the court to decide first and foremost what it thinks is in the best interests of your grandchild. If you have had a residence order since the child was young, usually the courts would insist on consistency and routine. However, if the child's mother can prove her circumstances have changed, then she may stand a chance of getting your grandson back. You would really have to seek legal advice if you can and attempt to prove why it is not in your grandson's best interests to be given back to his parent. Cafcass will get involved and it’s their job to interview both parents in the case, as well as the child, and any others who might be needed, which could mean social workers, medical professionals, or other relatives. The court will almost invariably adhere to the Cafcass report when making a decision based on where your grandson should reside. I'm afraid this doesn't really answer your question, but there is no predicting a judge's decision.
ProudGrandparents - 29-Aug-17 @ 2:05 PM
Shellywood - Your Question:
I had a close relationship with my granddaughter mum and her Dad when they split up. Now mum has met someone knew and contact has been made more difficult. Also we learn he's controlling and hit the children. Also mum has also been on social services radar and we didn't know. They have been placed in child protection emotional abuse. Is there any chance me and my husband could go for custody or is this a total none starter

Our Response:
You would need to speak directly to social services. Only if the children are taken from the parents may you be considered for residency.
ProudGrandparents - 29-Aug-17 @ 11:49 AM
4 years ago myself and my husband were awarded a residence order for my Grandson as the Mother and her partner were constantly getting into physical fights and despite Social Services intervention they could not resolve their issues. 3 weeks ago I allowed my Grandson to spend some time with his Mom and siblings, however it was only meant to be a few days and when I wanted him to come home I was finding it increasingly difficult to have him returned as the boyfriend (not the father) of my Grandson was constantly preventing me from speaking with him.I did eventually get to speak with him where he told me he did not want to live with me and his Grandad anymore. I am heart broken as we cared for him since the day he was born as she never wanted him. I have phoned police social services and even been back to court but because the actual court order giving us residence can't be found, we are having to go through the courts again and he has remained with his Mother. Will I get him returned or shall I respect his wishes as he is only 8 and has been spoilt with games and gadgets as My Daughter as just come into money. I fear I will never see my Grandson again.
fave - 27-Aug-17 @ 8:43 PM
I had a close relationship with my granddaughter mum and her Dad when they split up. Now mum has met someone knew and contact has been made more difficult. Also we learn he's controlling and hit the children. Also mum has also been on social services radar and we didn't know. They have been placed in child protection emotional abuse. Is there any chance me and my husband could go for custody or is this a total none starter
Shellywood - 27-Aug-17 @ 11:30 AM
Curlytop - Your Question:
2 grandchildren have same dad who is applying for residence order for them, 1 dad has pr for his son and is going for a residence order, 4th little one has no dad with pr and is the one we hope to get residence for, mother awol, all 4 on child protection plan, where do we start first ??

Our Response:
If you are a grandparent and children’s services become involved with your grandchildren then you may be entitled to be assessed for the right to care for your grandchild. Therefore, the first port of call is to speak with Children's Services directly. You can also see more via the Child Law Advice link here.
ProudGrandparents - 22-Aug-17 @ 10:19 AM
2 grandchildren have same dad who is applying for residence order for them, 1 dad has pr for his son and is going for a residence order, 4th little one has no dad with pr and is the one we hope to get residence for, mother awol, all 4 on child protection plan, where do we start first ??
Curlytop - 21-Aug-17 @ 12:24 PM
I have had my twin granddaughters sice they were a month old there mother drop them off to us with two bottle and 5 diapers the child protection steped in and put the children into foster care after 8 months due to fals allegation then in febuary of this year the courts returned them to us under a six month supervision order now the mother after 2and 1/2 years deceides she wants them nack but still dont provide for them we do do we have leagal grounds to fight for full custody
Tree - 10-Aug-17 @ 3:33 AM
My 4 grandchildren have just been put on a child protection plan, my dilemma is, do I step in to take the children now as I do not believe my daughter will change or do I wait until the LA go for a court order, which I feel is the way we are heading, so confused and tired, last worry on my mind when I go to sleep and first thought when I wake.
Curlytop - 9-Aug-17 @ 10:35 PM
I have had my 3 grandchildren since birth the mother was around but didn't care for them at anytime hasn't gotten them anything and when we'd ask for diapers formula ect she would get an attitude and now she's divorcing the dad and doesn't want anybody around them but I've had them since they came home from the hospital because she was never home she was always out she started going to school she had a job then got another one because she didn't like being with the kids she was sending one of the children with me to work and the other one when he was born with a family friend because she "couldnt handle him on her own" and now she had another one the beginning of this year and she was leaving her with us as soon as she came home from the hospital alsalso . I do not know what to do.
justine - 8-Aug-17 @ 4:19 AM
I have been handed over care of my 3 grandchildren to stop them going into foster care can social services stop.this this
rapps - 31-Jul-17 @ 11:37 AM
DCJ - Your Question:
I became a special guardian to my grandson last year & at the time lived with my partner who was also named as his special guardian, we have now split up as he did not support us financially after telling social workers that he would not divulge his finances as he could support us both, I do work. I have now bought a house for myself & my grandson & we are both extremely happy & content. I have tried to find out how to have my ex partners name removed as a special guardian but I'm not having much luck, have spoken to a solicitor but they said I need to speak to the court where the SGO was made, which I have now done but all they have done is sent me a pile of forms that really have no relevance to the matter, my ex partner is not a blood relative to my grandson. Will be pleased to hear any advice.

Our Response:
You would have to be referred back to court to make a variation if your ex disagrees with being taken off the order. Or you may be able to carry this out via mediation, if your ex partner agrees. If the matter goes to mediation, the court will oversee the agreement and rubber stamp it.
ProudGrandparents - 25-Jul-17 @ 11:43 AM
I became a special guardian to my grandson last year & at the time lived with my partner who was also named as his special guardian, we have now split up as he did not support us financially after telling social workers that he would not divulge his finances as he could support us both, I do work. I have now bought a house for myself & my grandson & we are both extremely happy & content. I have tried to find out how to have my ex partners name removed as a special guardian but I'm not having much luck, have spoken to a solicitor but they said I need to speak to the court where the SGO was made, which I have now done but all they have done is sent me a pile of forms that really have no relevance to the matter, my ex partner is not a blood relative to my grandson. Will be pleased to hear any advice.
DCJ - 24-Jul-17 @ 2:01 PM
Nat - Your Question:
I have had my grandson for 14 years since he was born and all of a sudden is dad is sayin he is just comeing to take him he's only seen is dad once also is dad is not in borth cert what do I do need some help

Our Response:
If the father is not registered on the birth certificate, then he has no rights. If his father attempts to take him, if you call the police, the police can intervene.
ProudGrandparents - 30-Jun-17 @ 12:59 PM
Nat- Your Question:
I've had my grandson for 14 years since he's bin born he's only seen is dad once also dad is not in birth cefitc now all of a sudden is dad is saying he's comeing to take me court and try and fight for my grandson does not want to see his dad also is dad as bin in and out of prison plz what do I do help me please

Our Response:
I do not imagine you will have a problem if your grandson has never known his father. If his father is not registered on the birth certificate he has no rights. If he is adamant about taking the matter to court, then he will have that option and a court 'may' allow it. But it sounds like this may be more a threat than something that will actually happen as he will stand to lose the case. Also, if your grandson does not wish to see his father, now he is 14 his opinion will be taken into consideration by the courts. I don't think you have much to worry about.
ProudGrandparents - 29-Jun-17 @ 4:22 PM
I've had my grandson for 14 years since he's bin born he's only seen is dad once also dad is not in birth cefitc now all of a sudden is dad is saying he's comeing to take me court and try and fight for my grandson does not want to see his dad also is dad as bin in and out of prison plz what do I do help me please
Nat - 28-Jun-17 @ 10:22 PM
I have had my grandson for 14 years since he was born and all of a sudden is dad is sayin he is just comeing to take him he's only seen is dad once also is dad is not in borth cert what do I do need some help
Nat - 28-Jun-17 @ 10:19 PM
Grandparents - Your Question:
My husband and I have had full legal guardianship of our grandchild for over 3 years now and her mom hasn't been in her life consistently on again off again maybe every 6 to 9 months and now she took us to court and got visitation I don't agree on the stipulations as there really are none and she wants to seek removal of guardianship she and her boyfriend right and use drugs I need help and suggestions

Our Response:
Once a court order is awarded, you would have to keep to the terms of it or be in contempt of court. Your only recourse would be to attempt to lodge an appeal.
ProudGrandparents - 20-Jun-17 @ 2:19 PM
My husband and I have had full legal guardianship of our grandchild for over 3 years now and her mom hasn't been in her life consistently on again off again maybe every 6 to 9 months and now she took us to court and got visitation I don't agree on the stipulations as there really are none and she wants to seek removal of guardianship she and her boyfriend right and use drugs I need help and suggestions
Grandparents - 19-Jun-17 @ 11:46 PM
My daughter is involved in a domestic violence situation five years this is been going on. Two years ago she had my grandson. I have been with my grandson every day I watch him while they work I buy all of his clothing all of his needs I pay for. I have him overnight Every weekend where they go out and drink there's been times he they came to my house to try and pick him up after drinking because we disagree with something about his care. There's been several incidents is that I know about domestic violence. The cops are called but by the time the cops get there she denies anything happened there's no documentation. But we have tons of witnesses sis. Every weekend where they go out and drink there's been times he they came to my house to try and pick him up after drinking because we disagree with something about his care. There's been several incidents is that I know about domestic violence. The cops are called but by the time the cops get there she denies anything happened there's no documentation. But we have tons of witnesses . Seeing a bruise on my grandson three weeks ago I questioned my daughter who did not bring my grandson to my house for four days for some reason previous to seeing the bruise she told me he gave himself a hickey I do not believe this and I did take pictures in consulting with somebody they happen to tell my daughter what I was saying now I'm not allowed to see my grandson at all she does not speak to me will not get my messages anytime they get in a fight he prevents her from talking to me from calling from any communication is broken about everything in their home . He has all of her phones tapped he gets her messages before she does and he runs all of her social media. He will sit outside her work that we do not go talk to her there. I have called CPS but they won't do anything because there's no documentation of the Mestic violenc he has all of her phones tapped he gets her messages before she does and he runs all of her social media. He will sit outside her work that we do not go talk to her there. I have called CPS but they won't do anything because there's no documentation of the the domestic violence. My sister is a doctor and has also reported it but because there's no actual reports they won't do anything I would go after custody temporarily of him however I have high functioning aspbergers.I don't know if they would even consider me as a temporary guardian,I don't know what's best to do. I'm terribly worried about him but I know every time if I would call and check welfare he will be my daughter and I'm afraid what he'll do to my grandson so we don't call. .Grayson is extremely attached to me and my fiancé we are extremely worried about what is going on is there any advice you think that you could do or help me with because I have aspergers I'm afraid that I will not even have a chance
Angel - 14-Jun-17 @ 2:41 PM
I have a 2 year old grandson and his mum have got herself into bit if trouble with her friend that she knew nothing about she have had socail services in past and baby was on at risk list . She have been told by solicitor although she knew nothing what had happened she will still be questioned and it will be reported to socail services my grandson have been off at risk list for a year now and dont have a socail worker but will is looking like he will if it came to worst could i have him although im being treated for depression i have him on weekends and sometimes in week and would love to have him and dont want see him go in to care am worried with depression they wouldnt let me i see doctor every month and have good days and bad socail services have been to mine in past and i had a good report then
Flow - 8-Jun-17 @ 11:18 AM
I'm enquiring on behalf of my friend who s concerned about her grandchildren.She shares a tri part custody with her, her husband and her daughter (my friends grandchildrens maternal mother) and is looking at gaining full custody instead of tri part custody following on from her daughters inability to safeguard her children alone.Can the tri part decision be appealed so my friend gains full custody with her husband of her grandchildren and if so, what steps would you recommend we take to achieve full custody. Kind regards
Daffy - 5-Jun-17 @ 12:04 PM
Sherri - Your Question:
I gained legal gaurdianship of my granddaughter about 12 years ago, which her parents signed willingly. at the time both parents had drug addiction issues and the child wasnt being properly cared for. this has been an on going addiction for the duration of these past 12 years. both have been incarcerated, and done prision time for felony drug charges. also during that time they had 2 more children, which ended up wards of the state, and eventially adopted out through CPS. that was 8 years ago. and eventually they were divorced as well. both jumping from one relationship to another. the father was just released from prision about 6 months ago, after serving 18 months. he is currently on parole and also house arrest; and on his 3rd or 4th relationship. A few weeks ago he had an altercation with his daughter, in which she told him, she didnt waqnt anything else to do with hi, after he had posted some disrespectful comments about her and us on public media. When I intervined and told him that his actions were inappropriate, and that if that was the way he choose to act and treat his daughter, he would not see her anymore. two weeks later he filed for custody. should I counter file for sole custody? We would like to have all his parental rights revoked because he is very critizing of her, and who she is as a person today, and he has no morals, as well as talks inapproperately talks about girls and sex in her presence. My objective is to have full custody and make her a permanent part of our lives, which she already has been. I want to know the best direction to go legally.

Our Response:
You would have to seek legal advice regarding this matter. If the father is on parole and house-arrest, it is highly unlikely he would be given custody, but neither may a court revoke his parental responsibility (as only under exceptional circumstances is this done). Much also depends upon the age of your granddaughter. If she is a teenager, her preferences will also be taken into consideration by the court. If you say her preferences are to have little or no contact with her father, then this would effectively mean the court will stick to the current arrangement of you as long term legal guardian.
ProudGrandparents - 30-May-17 @ 10:57 AM
I gained legal gaurdianship of my granddaughter about 12 years ago, which her parents signed willingly. at the time both parents had drug addiction issues and the child wasnt being properly cared for. this has been an on going addiction for the duration of these past 12 years. both have been incarcerated, and done prision time for felony drug charges. also during that time they had 2 more children, which ended up wards of the state, and eventially adopted out through CPS. that was 8 years ago. and eventually they were divorced as well. both jumping from one relationship to another. the father was just released from prision about 6 months ago, after serving 18 months. he is currently on parole and also house arrest; and on his 3rd or 4th relationship.A few weeks ago he had an altercation with his daughter, in which she told him, she didnt waqnt anything else to do with hi, after he had posted some disrespectful comments about her and us on public media. When I intervined and told him that his actions were inappropriate, and that if that was the way he choose to act and treat his daughter, he would not see her anymore.two weeks later he filed for custody. should i counter file for sole custody? We would like to have all his parental rights revoked because he is very critizing of her, and who she is as a person today, and he has no morals, as well as talks inapproperately talks about girls and sex in her presence. My objective is to have full custody and make her a permanent part of our lives, which she already has been. i want to know the best direction to go legally.
Sherri - 29-May-17 @ 9:35 AM
Had my 2 grandsons for 4 years one is 12 youngest is 4 social services was involved due to their mother lifestyle know there are contented as she gave permission for me to look after boys social services closed the case 2years ago know she wants boys back I have no idea where she is living social services have spoke to her but won't speak to me
Sky - 18-May-17 @ 9:32 AM
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